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# Brief: OpenCode-MCP proof arm (follow-up to search-with-proof)
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Status: brief / not yet specced. Proposed 2026-10-07 by the maintainer. Builds on
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`search-with-proof` (see `../search-with-proof/verification-architecture.md`).
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## Motivation
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The search arm (directed, Cairn-inspired) works. The **proof-authoring** last mile is the drag:
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1. **Safety-classifier refusals.** Authoring exploit demos repeatedly tripped a safety classifier
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this session when exploit payloads or step-by-step attack prose passed through the model or a
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tool prompt. The mitigation so far (keep payloads on disk, treat demos as opaque) is a workaround,
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not a fix, and it limits how directly the proof model can reason about the exploit.
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2. **Nondeterministic wiring.** The agent authors a demo but intermittently mis-wires the app to
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the oracle fixture (served directory for path, database URL for SQL), so a demonstrable pair
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comes back inconclusive until a retry. Each miss has cost a paid run.
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Proposal: drive the proof with an **agentic coding tool (OpenCode MCP)** running **inside gVisor**,
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using a model chosen for exploit authoring rather than one that refuses it, and **learn** the
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proof-authoring policy with DSPy from **traces logged in OpenObserve**.
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## Shape
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- **Search model:** DeepSeek (current). Good at the directed fact/intent search.
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- **Proof model:** GLM 5.3 (Anthropic-recommended) and/or an abliterated model via
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`ABLITERATION_BASE_URL` (`abliterated large v2`). The abliterated model authors exploit **demos**
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without the refusals that block a safety-trained model on this defensive task.
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- **Proof driver:** OpenCode MCP (github.com/AlaeddineMessadi/opencode-mcp) as the agentic
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demo-author, running inside the gVisor verification task so the exploit-authoring is sandboxed.
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- **Learning:** DSPy compiles/optimizes the proof-authoring program (demo schema, wiring, steps)
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from past traces, instead of the per-family hand-guidance we keep adding (which is now hitting
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the prompt character budget — a signal the hand-rule approach is near its limit). Matches the
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maintainer's "learned decisions, not hand-tuning" direction.
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- **Tracing:** proof runs (reason/explore/author/verify, timings, outcomes, error classes) log to
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**OpenObserve AI** at `OPENOBSERVE_URL` (org `OPENOBSERVE_ORG`, stream `OPENOBSERVE_TRACES_STREAM`).
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DSPy consumes these traces as its training signal.
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- **Credentials:** stored in `.env` like the existing keys, referenced by name only:
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`ABLITERATION_API_KEY`, `ABLITERATION_BASE_URL`, `ABLITERATION_MODEL`, `OPENOBSERVE_URL`,
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`OPENOBSERVE_ORG`, `OPENOBSERVE_TRACES_STREAM`, `OPENOBSERVE_TOKEN`. No secret value ever enters a
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tracked file, a prompt, a log stream, or a commit.
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## The trust-domain decision (must be resolved first)
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The current design keeps the **model key on the VM only**; cluster tasks carry no secrets and have
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restricted egress (verify tasks reach the files host only). Running the proof **model** inside gVisor
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(as OpenCode MCP would) breaks both: the task would hold a model key and need egress to the model
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API host. Two options:
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- **A. Scoped key + egress in the cluster (operator-managed).** Inject a spend-limited proof-model
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key into the proof task (like the existing `gemini-api-secret` slot) and add a per-host egress
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allowlist for the proof-model API. Keeps the fully-sandboxed agentic authoring the maintainer
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wants; requires an operator change and widens the cluster's secret/egress surface.
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- **B. Brain on the VM, execution in gVisor (current split preserved).** OpenCode MCP and the proof
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model run on the VM; only the DAST execution stays in gVisor. No new cluster secret or egress;
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but the agentic authoring loop is not itself sandboxed.
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Recommendation: start with **B** (no trust-domain change, fastest to try the abliterated proof model
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and DSPy loop), and move to **A** only if sandboxing the authoring loop itself proves necessary.
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## Security scope (why an abliterated model is in-scope here)
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This is authorized **defensive** work: authoring proof-of-concept demos for **known CVE fix-pairs**
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in a **gVisor-isolated** corpus, to demonstrate a regression before push. Guardrails to keep:
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- Demos are **data**, not agent code; they stay in the gitignored private area, never echoed.
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- No real-world or third-party live targets; only the frozen fix-pair corpus and owned oracles.
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- gVisor is the execution boundary; the abliterated model never runs code itself, it only writes a
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declarative demo the trusted verifier executes.
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- The abliterated model is confined to proof-authoring; the search and all reporting stay on the
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normal models.
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## Open questions for the spec
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1. A or B for the trust domain (above).
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2. Does the abliterated proof model actually raise the demonstrated rate and remove the wiring
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misses, measured on the pairs already shown demonstrable (xiaomusic, glance)? Qualify before scaling.
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3. DSPy program shape: what is the proof-authoring signature (inputs: candidate + oracle contract;
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output: a valid, wired demo), and what metric does it optimize (demonstrated rate at zero false
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proofs) from OpenObserve traces?
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4. Does OpenCode MCP fit the existing executor/verifier task contract (no-secret, presigned I/O,
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scratch/egress limits), or does it need a new task kind?
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5. Cost envelope per proof vs the current DeepSeek authoring.
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## Not in scope
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Changing the search arm, the oracle differential, or the abstract-interpretation triage. This brief
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is only about the **proof-authoring** driver and its learning loop.
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{
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"feature_name": "proof-arm-opencode",
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"created_at": "2026-10-07T14:40:00Z",
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"updated_at": "2026-10-07T14:40:00Z",
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"language": "en",
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"phase": "brief",
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"approvals": {"requirements": {"generated": false, "approved": false}, "design": {"generated": false, "approved": false}, "tasks": {"generated": false, "approved": false}},
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"ready_for_implementation": false,
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"summary": "OpenCode-MCP proof-authoring arm for search-with-proof: abliterated/GLM proof model, DSPy-optimized from OpenObserve traces; trust-domain decision (A scoped-key-in-cluster vs B brain-on-VM) must be resolved first. Creds in .env by name."
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}
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# Search-with-proof: where each stage runs (verification architecture)
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Recorded 2026-10-07. search-with-proof has two stages across a trust boundary: a Cairn-inspired
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directed state-space **search**, then a DAST-style **proof (verification)**.
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## The two stages
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1. **Search (Cairn-inspired).** A blackboard of facts, intents and hints. A reasoner proposes
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independent, non-overlapping intents; tool-using explorers each confirm one fact against the
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code. The goal is a declarative demo (a candidate PoC), never proof by itself.
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2. **Proof (DAST verification).** The verifier builds and starts the app, drives the demo's steps
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through the app's real interface, and watches a verifier-owned canary for a **differential**
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between the vulnerable and fixed revisions: the owned effect appears on the vulnerable side and
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not on the fixed side (3/3 vs 0/3). Only this differential earns `demonstrated`.
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## Trust boundary — what runs where
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The brain runs on the VM; the agent's tool executions and the DAST proof run as isolated tasks in
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the kube-ax cluster. Secrets never enter the cluster.
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| Component | Location | Notes |
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|-----------|----------|-------|
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| Coordinator, board, budgets | VM (host) | Orchestrates the search; owns the global budget. |
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| Reasoner + explorer **model calls** | VM (host) | The model key lives only on the VM. This is the brain. |
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| Explorer **tool runs** (`list_files`, `read_file`, `grep`, `run`, build) | kube-ax AX Task (gVisor) | Carry no secrets; inputs/results via presigned object links. |
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| **DAST proof / verification** | kube-ax AX Task (gVisor) | Builds, starts, attacks and observes the app. One task per revision. |
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- **gVisor is the isolation boundary.** The proof runs untrusted exploit code against a running
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app, so it is sandboxed per-task in the cluster.
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- **Secrets stay on the VM.** Executor and verifier tasks carry no credentials; they exchange
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checkout archives, demos and results through presigned object-store links. Per-host egress is
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restricted (verify tasks reach the files host only).
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## Verification lanes (the `--verify-lane` choice)
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- **`ax` (default for paid pilot runs):** verification runs **inside kube-ax** as gVisor AX Tasks,
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one per side. This is how every paid pilot run this session executed the proof.
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- **`vm` (local):** verification runs in **Bubblewrap on the host**, no cluster. Used for the
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zero-cost ceiling proofs (a hand-authored demo verified locally with no model and no cluster),
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which is how glance and xiaomusic were confirmed demonstrable before any spend.
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- **`docker` (replay):** `benchmarks.search.demo_replay` runs a stored demo with no model calls in
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a local Docker lane.
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## Why the proof is dynamic, not abstract interpretation
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Abstract interpretation (the static engine and the decision model) is the cheap, generalizable
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**triage/ranker**: it selects and orders candidate regions across any repo without executing. It
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plateaued as a **blocking** gate because it could not prove the required precision. search-with-proof
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is the **dynamic** confirmation: a demonstrated finding is ground truth by execution, so it earns a
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block without calibration. The per-app harness cost (building and running the app, wiring its served
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directory or database to the oracle fixture) is the price of the dynamic proof and is why proof pays
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off where a runnable harness exists, with abstract interpretation remaining the static backbone.
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